Falcon
Mere Mortal
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Post by Falcon on Jul 6, 2009 10:11:53 GMT -5
*mutters crazily to self* only one more day and I can read the book then the spoilers... must control myself!!!!!
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Post by MsKay on Jul 6, 2009 13:26:14 GMT -5
loool Falcon - yes don't spoil it for yourself
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Post by deathlynx on Jul 6, 2009 15:55:25 GMT -5
I'm almost thinking that Suzanne is Zoe...What better way to keep an eye on her daughters than to become the mother of one of their best friends?
In other news... 1) Hunter works with Regan... 2) Hunter is married to Shadow uber-bitch 3) Hunter kills innocent people to get into midheaven as often as he wants 4) Hunter killed a CHILD because he refused to let go of his powers!?
Sorry ladies, whatever he was long ago, Hunter. Is. Evil. To be honest, I'm not that big a fan of the title and cover...I miss the continuity of the titles using the senses...I understand where CoS comes from, and it's a cool title, just doesn't feel like it fits...Same with the cover art...Good art, but as we've noted before, it looks more like Racheal Vincent than Vicki...I loved the old style cover...even the word-heavy SoS... But if those are my only complaints about the book, that's saying good things, No? Okay, I'l be blunt, I loved it! Great read straight through...
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Post by simcha on Jul 6, 2009 15:58:05 GMT -5
You are right I forgot Suze left Vegas. And your possibility of her being Zoe works on level too. Doesn't she count Jolivia as one of her daughters?
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Post by vampyre on Jul 6, 2009 16:56:36 GMT -5
^Interesting idea. I think it meant a mortal descendant of Wyatt. Oh OK I read it wrong then. I jumped on the thing thinking it meant a descendant of the Tulpa.
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Post by mystra32 on Jul 6, 2009 19:32:38 GMT -5
Um, deathlynx, not that I'm a big Hunter fan, but how do we know he killed the changling and not Warren or the previous troop leader? Also, by the looks of it he isn't killing innocents to get back into Midhaven, besides being closed for a long time now and having been origionally from the LV troop, he used Ragen in a deal, its not the same as working with her. She's no innocent, and if that makes him evil, then where does it leave the rest of the Agents of Light? Is that any different than what Jo did to Greta in the first book to gain the Aureol? And as for who he married, 1) its his wife whos evil, not him, 2) we don't know why he fell for her, and 3)people get into abussive, "I can fix this person," and totally self deluded repationships all the time. That dosen't make them evil. Now, calling him a jerk for leading her on just as much as she lead him on while he was married and activly trying to get back with Sola? That I can work with. And whoever thought of Zoe being Suzanne, somehow that just seems kinda funky. Unless Cher was adopted, wouldn't she look more like Jo did before her surgery? An as for the one who suggested Suzanne being the Tulpa *shudder violently* thats a bit to paranoid for my liking.
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Post by antiphrasis on Jul 6, 2009 20:22:01 GMT -5
From how I've understood it, Suzanne is Cher's step-mother, not her mother. So Suzanne could conceivably be Zoe. It would be weird, but in a fun way.
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Post by miki on Jul 6, 2009 23:25:58 GMT -5
OK~I have to speak up for Hunter...{where the hell is skitty?} Like Mystra was saying, we don't know the circumstances that led Hunter to be with Sola in the first place, so I'm reserving my judgment til I know all the facts. And yeah, you can be married to an evil person without being evil yourself. Y'all want to call Hunter a jerk for supposedly leading Jo on then she's just as much a jerk for doing the same to him. I truly believed he had (and still does) have feelings for her and only went looking for Sola again after Jo made it abundantly clear that she didn't want him. I don't think Suzanne is Zoe.
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Post by slayercat on Jul 7, 2009 7:00:37 GMT -5
Right there with ya, Miki!!! Hunter did try to say no to Jo - but she was very persuasive!! And are we sure Sola is evil or just bitchy?? Maybe Jo just met her on a bad day?
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Post by vampyre on Jul 7, 2009 11:32:04 GMT -5
She i not evil, she is just written that way. We all know who the true evil is.
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Post by miki on Jul 7, 2009 12:27:23 GMT -5
^LOL! But Sola is a shadow, she can't help but be evil, right?
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Post by vampyre on Jul 7, 2009 13:38:05 GMT -5
Good people do bad things.. why can't bad people do good things once in a while? Yep, that is the face of evil be afraid, very afraid. I don't like saying these things about her but truth is truth.
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Post by Raven on Jul 7, 2009 14:12:41 GMT -5
Very good points, DL. But your #3 and #4 are wrong. Sorry. He used REGAN to get into Midheaven. She's far from innocent. And the Changeling situation gets explained in the "Unbound" short. The Changeling situation gets explained in the "Unbound" short. Hunter's motives are explained. Solange is fucking evil. You will see why I say this. Yes, Shadows by their very nature are EVIL. But can they not make choices to go against their instincts just as Light can? I don't know about you guys, but I think Warren is fucking heinous. He's losing sight of right and wrong in his quest for getting the job done. Maybe it's just situation, but Harlan Tripp didn't strike me as particularly evil in this book, and maybe Shen was closer to evil. Tripp was the Shadow Agent, Shen was Light. It can all be in perception of their actions too. And yeah, Suzanne is Cher's STEP-mother.
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Post by deathlynx on Jul 7, 2009 18:29:53 GMT -5
I wasn't saying Regan was innocent...I was talking about the Changeling (little Eric?) that he used to get into midhaven the first time...And yeah, he used Regan to get into midhaven, but it still meant he made a deal with her...is it different from what Jo did in book 1? Yeah, Regan gained something from it while Greta certainly never gained anything for her "help"...Are they evil? *shrug*
Haven't read Unbound yet... (D'uh) But Jaden outright told Jo in midheaven the only way to fix the Zodiac was to kill Jas...It takes on an even more serious connotations when you stop and consider that, as Hunter, he actually knows Jasmine! Warren certainly is the perfect example of how someone can become evil for the "right" reasons...Nope, never liked him, never trusted him...I think he was the one I commented was the character I hated from these books, because he's just too controlling...
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Post by nat on Jul 7, 2009 20:33:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately, things weren't really spelled out for us in CoS. We know the bare minimum about J.J./Hunter and Solange. We know he killed a changeling, but we don't know the extenuating circumstances. Could he have been forced to do it by Solange? Maybe he was forced to choose between the changeling and his daughter? Maybe Solange's hunger for power rubbed off on him? Could he have done it simply because he was a different person back then, and thought like Warren: what's one person? The possibilities are endless. I mean Hunter may not be outright evil, like the Tulpa, but he definitely isn't lily-white either. Neither is Jo. Neither is anyone, for that matter, right? Like DL said, Jo killed Greta. No hesitation, no thinking things through. She just killed her. Does that make her evil? Yes and no. Lotsa shades of gray, 'cause not everything is clear cut.
Frankly, my hopes for Jo and Hunter and their HEA are pretty much non-existent now. I mean, they had obstacles before (mainly Jo's need for Ben), but now they not only have personal issues (I still can't believe he's married!) between them, but also realms separating them. It's a lot to get passed. Maybe it's too much. Either way, we all know Jo is more than capable of surviving without Hunter or any man. That being said, I do hope that she finds someone who can make her happy and not betray her (although with her luck, the chances are extremely slim).
And I agree with Miki, he didn't necessarily lead Jo on. I mean, they've both made way too many mistakes in their almost-relationship. Their lies, their pasts, their emotions have never, ever been laid down on the table. I do think Hunter cares about her. But the question is how much? Guess we might find out, if he isn't gone for good. Warren is just a pure S.O.B. and a hypocrite of the highest order. Take the Tulpa, for example. He's never lied about what he is: evil incarnate. He kills without mercy, tortures his own people without a second thought, and doesn't hide the fact that he wants to skin his daughter alive. Now Warren? That extremist little shit walks around thinking he's God and pretending he's an agent of Light, when in reality he's just another Tulpa in smelly disguise. Ugh. Hate, hate, hate him. And there isn't a doubt in my mind that Solange is evil. The "lady" collects souls and makes gemstones out of them. If that isn't evil and twisted, I don't know what is. I seriously wonder what she meant by Jo's soul being protected. By who or what? 360days to finding out, lol.
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